- Dating Ingersoll pocket watches?
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- Ingersoll Watch Company: History, Serial Numbers, Production Dates
These watches were made until the late s, after the American parent company had collapsed. In they produced another popular watch with 7 jewels called the Reliance. In Ingersoll developed a watch with the so-called "night design", the Radiolite with luminous dial. In the s, the company, now called Ingersoll-Waterbury manufactured the first Mickey Mouse watches. This was on the outskirts of the village of Ystradgynlais, near Swansea , Wales.
The first model featured the same movement as the earlier British Ingersolls, now designated calibre PY. These watches were branded Ingersoll Triumph and Smiths Empire. Ingersoll Ltd pulled out of the venture in Between and , when the factory closed down, over 30,, watches were made, and exported to 60 different countries throughout the world. Smith Watches were sold in the early s to another company who bought all the rights; they have since made Combat watches, Timex, Aircraft plus many more makes without even names on them, but all Smiths-cased dollar watches.
Over character watches were made by unknown companies. There are lots of different designs out there, including many advertising Pocket Watches Double Diamond and Players Please, to name a few. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Dating Ingersoll pocket watches?
Ingersoll Watch Company Type. Chicago — New York: The Disneyization of Society. Receiver for Robert H. Ingersoll Brother, manufacturers of the Ingersoll "dollar watch" were placed in the hands of a receiver yesterday by Federal Judge Augustus N. Child, attorney, 59 Wall Street, was appointed receiver.
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The Triumph of the Wristwatch, — ". A Company and Its Community. Retrieved from " https: Dec 16, 10, 58 48 UK Country Flag: Welcome to the board, Mat It doesn't matter that the thread is old - your request is relevant to the thread, so the previous discussion will help everyone put a context to the answers to your questions.
I can't help with Ingersoll, but others will be able to.
What I can tell you is that their ability to help you will depend on their seeing some good photos , especially of the movement and dial, and also the case and any marks on the case. Thanks for the welcome and the advice, Marty. Here is what I have: Hopefully someone can help me ID and date this piece. Adam Harris Registered User. Jerry Treiman Registered User. What I was saying that the serial number given would date that movement to But the watch, based on the dial metal appears much later than that. Which substantiates my concern movement versus dial.
Thanks Adam - I understand it now So you are suggesting maybe the dial is a later replacement. I know zero about Ingersolls for which you obviously have a serial number base but my instinct simply from looking at the style of the signature on the movement would be that it is not earlier than I have the same feeling for the style of numerals on the dial.
Jerry This is guaranteed not a marriage watch or your opinion that the movement is definitely not ? Jul 15, 2, 40 48 Chemist Kentucky Country Flag: The "gold book" listing for Ingersoll watches carries a serial number chart with similar numbering to what Adam has posted, but carries a note at the bottom that the chart can ONLY be used to date dollar-type watches and not jeweled lever watches.
Therefore, the dating chart would not apply to the watch in question.
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I would trust Jerry's opinion on the age of the movement. Aug 26, 17, Country Flag: Seems there are differing opinions about which serial database works most accurately for this watch. That being said there are fundamental problems. If the "Reliance" name was introduced in , then there must be a more relevant dating chart.
There must be one specifically for the 7j line Seems that as a line it's unique enough within Ingersoll to merit it. As for the metal dial, that is a clue deserving further scrutiny. Additionally, at what point was the Ingersoll namesake dropped from the Reliance dials? Ingersoll as a name was kept throught the acquisitions of the Company as far as I know.
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I would love to think that this watch is pre but my instinct is saying otherwise. This may be a watch from the later years however this doesn't adequately explain the very low serial number, except it be that the 7j Reliance line should have its own serial dating chart. For accuracy's sake, this is not a lever set piece. Serial number wise I still have an early production watch even if within its own line, which may warrant more consideration in its peservation.
Mat - I am sorry that you have been confused by conflicting information posted here. Comparing your watch to illustrations and examples of the Reliance model, everything about your watch looks original - dial, movement, hands and case. It is nearly identical to mine with serial ,, except mine is marked Ingersoll Watch Co.
The Reliance model is not mentioned in a reprint I have of a Ingersoll booklet and catalog, from which I infer that the Ingersoll Reliance is later than However, in searching vintage ads and publications through Google Books I have found evidence that the Reliance model came out before the date cited in several other sources. In the April issue of the Journal of the Franklin Institute I found an article on the watch industry which included the notation that "The Ingersoll-Trenton watch factory will soon reach the per day output of the new Ingersoll Reliance watch.
I have not been able to ascertain whether the Ingersoll name was added to the dial later or dropped from later production. All of the ads I have looked at so far that show illustrations of this model to show both names on the dial. He also observed that numbers were repeated and that the numbering machinery at the Trenton factory where these were made may not have been capable of 7-digit numbers and so they just started over again.
Summar also noted the change in name of the movements and stated his belief that the Ingersoll Watch Co. He also speculates that the "Reliance" only name on the dial was later, perhaps after I suspect yours is close to this date as it has the same screws to hold the dial from the back that my movement has, a feature that appears to be a later modification of this model, but has the earlier name on the movement. Jerry, no apologies needed for any confusion. Research is not linear and add to that a curious example like this watch which has brought to light facets of this company's history which is making direct referencing difficult at best.
This research is part of my fascination with this field of interest. Either way, I appreciate all of the input thus far from everyone. It seems my particular watch may be the result of "Choice 'D'; all of the above" meaning it's got to be a very late production run evidenced by the metal dial sans "Ingersoll", yet having the earlier-named movement, and to top it off a recurring and possibly untraceable 5 digit serial number.
I wonder if this is a salesman's demo piece or some such thing. For some reason we have the later dial and name change with a NOS movement. If the serial numbers do repeat as posited by Summar, that renders the serial ineffective as a dating tool without a line specific chart showing the repeat sequencing.
Only then can it be used in conjunction with the dial design change timeframe to narrow down the date of manufacture. Adam, I look forward to any other you may come across. Yes Jerry did a great job. PW Collector Registered User. Aug 3, I just saw this post and surprised to see it in the European section since these are American manufactured watches. As mentioned previously, these Ingersoll watches cannot be dated using the serial numbers and matching them to the published approximate production dates.
Ingersoll Watch Company: History, Serial Numbers, Production Dates
Shown above is an advertisement from showing the new Ingersoll Reliance. The first watch shown, sorry, but I do not have The hands for this one yet has an enamel over metal dial marked, Ingersoll Reliance. The movement is marked Robt. If you used the Ingersoll serial number table it would date this at which is definitely not correct. In post 8, Jess states his has a partial serial number with the last number either 2 or 8. In post 11 by Mat, in photo 3 there appears to be a number under the screw also. I could be wrong though. The second watch shown has only Reliance on the metal dial and the seconds dial is different.
The movement is marked, Ingersoll Watch Co. The serial number is fully visible and is This serial number is , lower than the first watch shown and I would think this movement marked Ingersoll Watch Co. I just thought I would through another twist to this thread. I have one of these with SN , These were made at the former Trenton Watch Co factory after Ingersoll bought it.
I have always figured the date on mine to be Mine has the enamel dial like Dave's first pic above. These are a special size watch and require a special "Reliance" case. Your watch has a much higher serial number than mine but yet has the enamel dial Also of note is that my case says nothing except "Made in the US", but for all appearances looks original Dave, the watch I have is the same as the watch in the left-hand lowest corner of your last post. The case only has the "Made in US" notation but nothing else.
Quite the mystery, continued Mat, This is what the case markings should look like. My case has no markings except the Made in the US notation. Assumption now is that the case is not original, contrary to Tom's post 32 which posited that these Reliance timepieces had a special size case Let's summarize the mysteries surrounding my particular watch: The metal dial showing lack of the Ingersoll name is later in production The metalloid or silver case may or may not be original, depending on the above reference by Tom regarding size and your most recent post showing the manufacturer's mark The factory of production is unknown as the Trenton watches seems to all possess the "Ingersoll" marked porcelain dials What we do know IS: This is a watch possessing a low serial Robert H Ingersoll 7j movement 2.
This watch has the metal dial sans "Ingersoll" name which seems to be dating it later in the production run. The case is metalloid or silver with no markings except made in the US. Case has screw down crystal and back. I'm packing this watch up and sending to ONE of you to take a look at! There really should be no reason for confusion nor to assume that anything about your watch is not original. First, the serial number is not useful for dating the Ingersoll-Reliance watches, so forget about making sense of that.
You have to date your watch approximately by the features of your particular watch. The metal dial marked only Reliance tells us it was probably late in this period.